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		<title>By: Rita Arens</title>
		<link>http://mothergoosemouse.com/2009/03/20/guilt-and-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-238268</link>
		<dc:creator>Rita Arens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sob! Man.  Oh, man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sob! Man.  Oh, man!</p>
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		<title>By: the new girl</title>
		<link>http://mothergoosemouse.com/2009/03/20/guilt-and-shame/comment-page-1/#comment-238196</link>
		<dc:creator>the new girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, man, that&#039;s sad.  It chokes me.  It&#039;s so hard to imagine not knowing how you&#039;re kid is feeling, even through your own frustration and anger.

I have to believe that she didn&#039;t know because believing that she knew and just didn&#039;t care?  I can&#039;t handle that right now.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;the new girls last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thenewgirl.typepad.com/the_new_girl/2009/03/a-tough-day.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Tough Day&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, man, that&#8217;s sad.  It chokes me.  It&#8217;s so hard to imagine not knowing how you&#8217;re kid is feeling, even through your own frustration and anger.</p>
<p>I have to believe that she didn&#8217;t know because believing that she knew and just didn&#8217;t care?  I can&#8217;t handle that right now.</p>
<p><abbr><em>the new girls last blog post..<a href="http://thenewgirl.typepad.com/the_new_girl/2009/03/a-tough-day.html" rel="nofollow">A Tough Day</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Tree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my goodness.  My eyes are welling with tears, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my goodness.  My eyes are welling with tears, too.</p>
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		<title>By: caramama</title>
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		<dc:creator>caramama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I totally meant to say that I don&#039;t think there was really anything you could have done for the girl, as others have said. You did a wonderful job with your own daughter, and that is sometimes all you can do.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;caramamas last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://caramamamia.blogspot.com/2009/03/question-of-week-those-girls-and-their.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Question of the Week - Those Girls and Their Cookies&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I totally meant to say that I don&#8217;t think there was really anything you could have done for the girl, as others have said. You did a wonderful job with your own daughter, and that is sometimes all you can do.</p>
<p><abbr><em>caramamas last blog post..<a href="http://caramamamia.blogspot.com/2009/03/question-of-week-those-girls-and-their.html" rel="nofollow">Question of the Week &#8211; Those Girls and Their Cookies</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: caramama</title>
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		<dc:creator>caramama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was really hard for me to read this post, as a highly emotional pregnant woman. This stuff really bothers me. 

As you said, mothergoosemouse, it&#039;s the shaming of the child that is awful to me, especially because this wasn&#039;t a safety issue or anything like that. It was because she wouldn&#039;t perform when her mother wanted her to. What this mother did? It may be a different parenting style, but I simply don&#039;t think that humilation and shame is ever a good way to raise a child.

Meanwhile, I&#039;m going to believe that the mother slapped her own leg in frustration and didn&#039;t hit the girl. And you all can let me believe it, or I&#039;ll start crying in a way that only a moody pregnant woman can do.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;caramamas last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://caramamamia.blogspot.com/2009/03/question-of-week-those-girls-and-their.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Question of the Week - Those Girls and Their Cookies&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was really hard for me to read this post, as a highly emotional pregnant woman. This stuff really bothers me. </p>
<p>As you said, mothergoosemouse, it&#8217;s the shaming of the child that is awful to me, especially because this wasn&#8217;t a safety issue or anything like that. It was because she wouldn&#8217;t perform when her mother wanted her to. What this mother did? It may be a different parenting style, but I simply don&#8217;t think that humilation and shame is ever a good way to raise a child.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I&#8217;m going to believe that the mother slapped her own leg in frustration and didn&#8217;t hit the girl. And you all can let me believe it, or I&#8217;ll start crying in a way that only a moody pregnant woman can do.</p>
<p><abbr><em>caramamas last blog post..<a href="http://caramamamia.blogspot.com/2009/03/question-of-week-those-girls-and-their.html" rel="nofollow">Question of the Week &#8211; Those Girls and Their Cookies</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swimming lessons have been a challenge for our family too. Learning to swim is important to me as I spent childhood afraid of water and not really knowing how to swim. So I wanted my daughter to be confident in the water. But after two sessions of lessons and making progress with her naturally cautious nature she had an experience that made her feel very insecure with her skills. We debated about what to do and finally settled on going to the lessons and asking the instructors to work within her limitations. Because that is what I would have needed as a child. 

We so often forget about those childhood fears when we become adults/parents. We want our children to perform because it reflects well upon us. But it isn&#039;t us that has to perform. My heart breaks for that little girl, especially for being shamed in front of the whole pool, her grandparents and you and your daughter. These things stick longer in the mind, the physical pain only reinforces that emotional pain IMHO. I never know what to say to people in those situations...but I want to scream at people...THEY ARE JUST A LITTLE KID, LEAVE THEM BE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swimming lessons have been a challenge for our family too. Learning to swim is important to me as I spent childhood afraid of water and not really knowing how to swim. So I wanted my daughter to be confident in the water. But after two sessions of lessons and making progress with her naturally cautious nature she had an experience that made her feel very insecure with her skills. We debated about what to do and finally settled on going to the lessons and asking the instructors to work within her limitations. Because that is what I would have needed as a child. </p>
<p>We so often forget about those childhood fears when we become adults/parents. We want our children to perform because it reflects well upon us. But it isn&#8217;t us that has to perform. My heart breaks for that little girl, especially for being shamed in front of the whole pool, her grandparents and you and your daughter. These things stick longer in the mind, the physical pain only reinforces that emotional pain IMHO. I never know what to say to people in those situations&#8230;but I want to scream at people&#8230;THEY ARE JUST A LITTLE KID, LEAVE THEM BE.</p>
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		<title>By: Mom101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tears here too. What is with people?

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mom101s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mom-101.blogspot.com/2009/03/on-motherhood-and-identity-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On motherhood and identity and generalizations and the crazy jeckyl and hyde-ness of it all&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tears here too. What is with people?</p>
<p><abbr><em>Mom101s last blog post..<a href="http://mom-101.blogspot.com/2009/03/on-motherhood-and-identity-and.html" rel="nofollow">On motherhood and identity and generalizations and the crazy jeckyl and hyde-ness of it all</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: mothergoosemouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>mothergoosemouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appreciate giving other parents the benefit of the doubt.  We all do it every day, and others do it for us.  None of us are always on our best behavior.

Likewise, we all parent differently.  What works for one child doesn&#039;t necessarily work for another, so we modify our disciplinary tactics accordingly.

However, I don&#039;t believe that shame is an appropriate disciplinary tactic, especially not for a young child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate giving other parents the benefit of the doubt.  We all do it every day, and others do it for us.  None of us are always on our best behavior.</p>
<p>Likewise, we all parent differently.  What works for one child doesn&#8217;t necessarily work for another, so we modify our disciplinary tactics accordingly.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t believe that shame is an appropriate disciplinary tactic, especially not for a young child.</p>
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		<title>By: tracey</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. I hesitate to post, for fear that I will sound like an ass after everyone above has said how horrified they were...

I have had 3 very different children. 1 is like CJ in that she is easy to please, does what she says she&#039;s going to do (mostly) and responds well to polite, calm words.

I have 1 child who must have a monotone voice used when he would freak out in a public place (far too often). He would only calm down if he was left in a corner with me beside him, not making eye contact, but being present. Sometimes took upwards of an hour for him to regain control of himself... Lots of fun.

I have another child who doesn&#039;t respond to calm voices, polite requests, or gentle, but stern voices. He is also the child who will claim to be thrilled about an outing/class/new situation/etc. until he gets there and maybe decides that he doesn&#039;t want to do it. It doesn&#039;t matter that the situation isn&#039;t negotiable/was expensive/is a safety precaution/etc. Stubborn doesn&#039;t cover his reaction.... The only thing that works for him (unfortunately) is harshness. It KILLS me. It really does, but he has to have the ultimate threat or punishment doled out before he will respond and concede to the authority of his parent&#039;s wishes.

Perhaps this little girl is way more difficult than we give her credit for? Perhaps this was her idea to have her grandparents fly out to watch her and they spent tons of money and she let them down?

I don&#039;t know. I&#039;m not saying that the way she handled it was correct or mature. But I am saying that I am not always correct or mature in my dealings with my own children. I am not looking for a pass on my bad behavior, but I certainly wouldn&#039;t have responded well to a stranger butting into a confrontation between my son and myself...

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;traceys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://tracey-justanothermommyblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/great-now-im-hungry.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Great. Now I&#039;m hungry...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. I hesitate to post, for fear that I will sound like an ass after everyone above has said how horrified they were&#8230;</p>
<p>I have had 3 very different children. 1 is like CJ in that she is easy to please, does what she says she&#8217;s going to do (mostly) and responds well to polite, calm words.</p>
<p>I have 1 child who must have a monotone voice used when he would freak out in a public place (far too often). He would only calm down if he was left in a corner with me beside him, not making eye contact, but being present. Sometimes took upwards of an hour for him to regain control of himself&#8230; Lots of fun.</p>
<p>I have another child who doesn&#8217;t respond to calm voices, polite requests, or gentle, but stern voices. He is also the child who will claim to be thrilled about an outing/class/new situation/etc. until he gets there and maybe decides that he doesn&#8217;t want to do it. It doesn&#8217;t matter that the situation isn&#8217;t negotiable/was expensive/is a safety precaution/etc. Stubborn doesn&#8217;t cover his reaction&#8230;. The only thing that works for him (unfortunately) is harshness. It KILLS me. It really does, but he has to have the ultimate threat or punishment doled out before he will respond and concede to the authority of his parent&#8217;s wishes.</p>
<p>Perhaps this little girl is way more difficult than we give her credit for? Perhaps this was her idea to have her grandparents fly out to watch her and they spent tons of money and she let them down?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m not saying that the way she handled it was correct or mature. But I am saying that I am not always correct or mature in my dealings with my own children. I am not looking for a pass on my bad behavior, but I certainly wouldn&#8217;t have responded well to a stranger butting into a confrontation between my son and myself&#8230;</p>
<p><abbr><em>traceys last blog post..<a href="http://tracey-justanothermommyblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/great-now-im-hungry.html" rel="nofollow">Great. Now I&#8217;m hungry&#8230;</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Karen Sugarpants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Sugarpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me a bitch, but I probably would have said something like, &quot;kids aren&#039;t circus monkeys.&quot;
Course I&#039;m the type to say &#039;the world isn&#039;t your ashtray&#039; to a person who throws their cigarette butt on the ground.
That&#039;s really sad Julie.  Totally sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me a bitch, but I probably would have said something like, &#8220;kids aren&#8217;t circus monkeys.&#8221;<br />
Course I&#8217;m the type to say &#8216;the world isn&#8217;t your ashtray&#8217; to a person who throws their cigarette butt on the ground.<br />
That&#8217;s really sad Julie.  Totally sucks.</p>
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