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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://mothergoosemouse.com/2006/08/16/hazing-or-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-6185</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, I love this...

I will endeavor to teach my girls self-awareness and self-confidence so that they can resist peer pressure and make their own decisions. 

It is a big scary world out there, but I think it&#039;s our responsibility as parents to ensure our children don&#039;t turn into bullies and don&#039;t succumb to peer pressure in extreme circumstances like hazing. Fortunately I never was a victim of hazing, although during initiation week for my high school sorority we put the new girls through a mini &quot;hell&quot; week with silly rules like no talking to boys, no shaving their legs, no makeup, etc. But it was never dangerous activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, I love this&#8230;</p>
<p>I will endeavor to teach my girls self-awareness and self-confidence so that they can resist peer pressure and make their own decisions. </p>
<p>It is a big scary world out there, but I think it&#8217;s our responsibility as parents to ensure our children don&#8217;t turn into bullies and don&#8217;t succumb to peer pressure in extreme circumstances like hazing. Fortunately I never was a victim of hazing, although during initiation week for my high school sorority we put the new girls through a mini &#8220;hell&#8221; week with silly rules like no talking to boys, no shaving their legs, no makeup, etc. But it was never dangerous activity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://mothergoosemouse.com/2006/08/16/hazing-or-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-6175</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen.  I&#039;m not a proponent of hazing by any means but maybe if we focused less on getting people not to haze others and more of getting our children to stand up when pressured to do stupid things all this could be nipped in the bud.  How can I expect my child to say no to hazing (or huffing, or racism, or becoming a member of the nazi party) if I don&#039;t teach her that just because everyone else is doing it you don&#039;t have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen.  I&#8217;m not a proponent of hazing by any means but maybe if we focused less on getting people not to haze others and more of getting our children to stand up when pressured to do stupid things all this could be nipped in the bud.  How can I expect my child to say no to hazing (or huffing, or racism, or becoming a member of the nazi party) if I don&#8217;t teach her that just because everyone else is doing it you don&#8217;t have to.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://mothergoosemouse.com/2006/08/16/hazing-or-tradition/comment-page-1/#comment-6168</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been on the giving or receiving side of hazing, but have never belonged to anything.  I was a GDI in college.  My husband was fraternity all the way and thought pledge week/hell week was a blast and gave those who made it through an instant sense of, well brotherhood.  He wouldn&#039;t pin me though because if his brothers found out they would kidnap him, strip him, tie him to a tree and pelt him with eggs.  

Critical thinking skills, self confidence, and empathy are things we hope to instill in our children so that not only will they not be a victim, but will not hurt others as well.   I think lack of compassion and not being able to think it through is the cause for the inability to discern between harmless hazing and abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been on the giving or receiving side of hazing, but have never belonged to anything.  I was a GDI in college.  My husband was fraternity all the way and thought pledge week/hell week was a blast and gave those who made it through an instant sense of, well brotherhood.  He wouldn&#8217;t pin me though because if his brothers found out they would kidnap him, strip him, tie him to a tree and pelt him with eggs.  </p>
<p>Critical thinking skills, self confidence, and empathy are things we hope to instill in our children so that not only will they not be a victim, but will not hurt others as well.   I think lack of compassion and not being able to think it through is the cause for the inability to discern between harmless hazing and abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Tsao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Tsao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! Food for thought now that we are moms of would be hazees (?) and hazers, too. 

I have never been in a hazing situation personally, although I have dated several ex-fraternity brothers who broke the code of silence by telling me what occurred during Rush Week.  I found it both horrific and strangely fascinating. 

I remember a couple of years ago the footage on TV of senior high school girls in Illinois beating the shit out of freshmen girls during a muddy football game. I was appalled. If my daughter was involved in something like that (as either a senior or a freshmen), I would wonder what the hell I had done wrong as a parent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! Food for thought now that we are moms of would be hazees (?) and hazers, too. </p>
<p>I have never been in a hazing situation personally, although I have dated several ex-fraternity brothers who broke the code of silence by telling me what occurred during Rush Week.  I found it both horrific and strangely fascinating. </p>
<p>I remember a couple of years ago the footage on TV of senior high school girls in Illinois beating the shit out of freshmen girls during a muddy football game. I was appalled. If my daughter was involved in something like that (as either a senior or a freshmen), I would wonder what the hell I had done wrong as a parent.</p>
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		<title>By: stayathomemotherdom</title>
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		<dc:creator>stayathomemotherdom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good post.  I think (and maybe I&#039;m wrong) ithat hazing seems more and more dangerous (emotionally or physically) than it used to.  Is it because I&#039;m getting older or because it is actually does more damage now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good post.  I think (and maybe I&#8217;m wrong) ithat hazing seems more and more dangerous (emotionally or physically) than it used to.  Is it because I&#8217;m getting older or because it is actually does more damage now?</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue with hazing is that so often it&#039;s a gang mentality type thing.  And that is hard to control and hard to defy, no matter how strong your self esteem is. Having never participated in a group like a sorority, cheerleading, etc I don&#039;t have any personal experience with hazing. I was on several varsity athletic teams, however, and we did fine, without any hazing at all. So I don&#039;t see any harm in trying to prevent it from happening on campus, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue with hazing is that so often it&#8217;s a gang mentality type thing.  And that is hard to control and hard to defy, no matter how strong your self esteem is. Having never participated in a group like a sorority, cheerleading, etc I don&#8217;t have any personal experience with hazing. I was on several varsity athletic teams, however, and we did fine, without any hazing at all. So I don&#8217;t see any harm in trying to prevent it from happening on campus, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: mrs mogul</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrs mogul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my first year of college I attended an upstate NY university...I didn not join sororities because of the hazing. I heard so many horrible stories, with the guys frat side that it frightened me. I plan to raise the kid to know that he doesn&#039;t have to conform and follow the crowd that hazing is dangerous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my first year of college I attended an upstate NY university&#8230;I didn not join sororities because of the hazing. I heard so many horrible stories, with the guys frat side that it frightened me. I plan to raise the kid to know that he doesn&#8217;t have to conform and follow the crowd that hazing is dangerous!</p>
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		<title>By: Blog_Antagonist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blog_Antagonist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting and thought provoking post! I myself was never the victim of a hazing, but I have witnessed it. Strangely enough, the most brutal hazings I have seen have been at the hands of grown women on a site I used to run. It does not have to be physical to be painful or emotionally damaging. 

Frankly, no matter what the age, I think those doing the hazing are the ones with low self-esteem. They want...no NEED...to hurt others to salve their own wounds. They need to beat someone else down to build themselves up. Power and control can go a long way in anaesthetizing inadequacy and self-doubt. 

I applaud you for taking steps to arm your children. It&#039;s a real concern these days and I worry for my oldest son, who is very laid-back, very malleable, very trusting. My youngest doesn&#039;t take any shit from anybody, lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting and thought provoking post! I myself was never the victim of a hazing, but I have witnessed it. Strangely enough, the most brutal hazings I have seen have been at the hands of grown women on a site I used to run. It does not have to be physical to be painful or emotionally damaging. </p>
<p>Frankly, no matter what the age, I think those doing the hazing are the ones with low self-esteem. They want&#8230;no NEED&#8230;to hurt others to salve their own wounds. They need to beat someone else down to build themselves up. Power and control can go a long way in anaesthetizing inadequacy and self-doubt. </p>
<p>I applaud you for taking steps to arm your children. It&#8217;s a real concern these days and I worry for my oldest son, who is very laid-back, very malleable, very trusting. My youngest doesn&#8217;t take any shit from anybody, lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting.

I think #5 and #6 are the most telling - if you take the confidentiality of Greek hazing/initiation out of the equation, what would the answer to those questions be?

I don&#039;t think i ever experienced hazing, but i was never in cheerleading, a sorority, etc.  And I think a big reason that so many hazing-type activities have been done away with is that people (parents) are so lawsuit-happy - mainly related to #3 and #4, and there is much greater recognition of &quot;risk of emotional abuse.&quot;  Something like that wouldn&#039;t have even been considered when I was a teenager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.</p>
<p>I think #5 and #6 are the most telling &#8211; if you take the confidentiality of Greek hazing/initiation out of the equation, what would the answer to those questions be?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think i ever experienced hazing, but i was never in cheerleading, a sorority, etc.  And I think a big reason that so many hazing-type activities have been done away with is that people (parents) are so lawsuit-happy &#8211; mainly related to #3 and #4, and there is much greater recognition of &#8220;risk of emotional abuse.&#8221;  Something like that wouldn&#8217;t have even been considered when I was a teenager.</p>
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		<title>By: mamatulip</title>
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		<dc:creator>mamatulip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, you put your thoughts into words so well. This is a great, informative, thought-provoking post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, you put your thoughts into words so well. This is a great, informative, thought-provoking post.</p>
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